Dan Savage on Asexuality:

(Since stuff on tumblr can be hard to track down later, I’m copying this over here too for reference)

Since I saw some questions about it recently, I thought I’d try to collect a set of links to all the places Dan Savage has talked about asexuality for future reference. If you see any missing, please let me know!

WARNING: Dan Savage is mostly known for being increcredibly prejudiced against asexuality, so…read/listen at your own risk. Triggers abound.

Savage Love Column, September 8, 2005:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=22958

Savage Love Column, February 3, 2011:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=6577949

Interview with David Jay, Savage Love podcast, July 11, 2011:

 http://www.savagelovecast.com/episodes/247#.UX4IRyvEoXc

[transcript] http://nextstepcake.tumblr.com/post/7568069160/transcript-david-jay-interviewed-on-savage-love 

Interview in (A)sexual, released in summer 2011:

[transcribed quotes] http://nextstepcake.tumblr.com/post/49163315150/dan-savage-quotes-from-a-sexual

Original movie can be found on amazon, itunes, etc.

Savage Love Podcast, January 1, 2013: 

 http://www.savagelovecast.com/episodes/323#.UX4JySvEoXc

(anyone know if there’s a transcript available?)

Interested in studying asexuality? Here’s some good places to start

1. Asexual Explorations: http://www.asexualexplorations.net/home/

This site includes an excellent bibliography of basically all the existing published papers on asexuality; it also has supplementary information on related topics such as HSDD. You should check out the asexual explorations blog as well – it includes some excellent posts about asexuality in academia: http://asexystuff.blogspot.com/

2. Asexuality Studies Mailing List: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=ASEXUALITYSTUDIES

This mailing list is slow, but it’s a good place to hear about new papers and occasionally see some interesting discussion.

3. Asexuality Studies Blog: http://asexualitystudies.org/ 

Although this project is no longer active, there’s some good posts and links to other resources still available in the archives.

4. Asexuality in Academia Journal Club: http://asexualagenda.wordpress.com/tag/journal-club/

The Journal Club is an online Skype group for discussing academic works on asexuality; every week we read and discuss a new paper. For information on how to join, contact “sennkestra” on Skype. Summaries of past discussions and updates about what we’re reading next can be found at the asexual agenda blog.

5. NWSA Asexuality Interest Group: https://www.facebook.com/pages/NWSA-Asexuality-Interest-Group/295682853820474

For those interested in feminist/queer theory approaches to studying asexuality, check for updates here or on their twitter: https://twitter.com/asexualitynwsa

Know of any good resources that aren’t on this list? Leave a suggestion in the comments!

“Coldness” on the Inventory of Interpersonal Problems, and Asexuality

(this is inspired by a discussion in the most recent asexuality journal club meeting; you can find a transcript and summary here: http://asexualagenda.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/asexuality-journal-club-yule-brotto-2013/)

Below is a copy of the Inventory of Interpersonal Problems (IIP) – 32 Item short circumplex form, one of the measures used in the Yule et al. 2013 study on mental health in asexuals, heterosexuals, and [non-asexual] non-heterosexuals. The scale measures a persons rank in each of these traits by summing up the extent to which they agree with each of several statements.

In particular, one of those findings of that part of the study was that asexuals were rated much higher on the cold subscale. In determining what might cause the result, I think examining the nature of the tests for “coldness” gives some insight:

1. It is hard for me to show affection to people.

2. It is hard for me to experience a feeling of love for another person.

3. It is hard for me to feel close to other people.

4. I keep other people at a distance too much.

Considering the kinds of phrasing used in these questions, it is quite possible that the difference is not necessarily one of the inherent mental health of asexuals, but rather a sign of the ways that asexuals may not fit into standard social scripts:

For example, an asexual or aromantic who as spent much of their life not understanding all the talk of traditional sexual/romantic attraction around them might well feel that they are incapable of “loving” properly.

Many asexuals might well have been lead to believe that they cannot “show affection” properly because they could not offer sex to a partner.

Because words like “love” and “Affection” are so tied into sexual and romantic norms that asexuals do not experience, it really should come as no surprise that asexuals might score higher in this domain.

Thoughts on Privilege/Oppression rhetoric, and it’s relation to asexuality

(this is very long and rambly and full of confusing extended metaphors…be warned)

In my experience with such discussions, privilege and oppression are used as binary states: if one has privilege, one is not oppressed (in that area at least); if does not have privilege, one is oppressed; if one is oppressed, one does not have privilege, one is not oppressed, one is priviliged.

Here’s the thing though: Privilege and oppression are not mutually exclusive complementary opposites. “privilege” as a word basically intuits a state of existence in which one has certain advantages. Presumable the opposite would be a state of existence in which one is at a disadvantage. That is not, however, what the term “oppression” implies.

“Oppression” implies that there is an active oppressor, some agent working actively to make the lives of some specific group worse. It is not only a description of a state but also of a cause.

The thing is, though, as I understand the theory behind it, privilege/oppression isn’t intended to be about the actions of some specific group of people, but rather the existence of the mechanisms of society a whole. It is intended to focus on the state of a group of people, not necessarily on who directly is responsible for that state (because the answer is: everyone. The whole point of institutional/societal oppression is that is caused by the entire existence of a system, not merely an individual or even a group of individuals – all members of the society are implicit in it’s reproduction to various extents).

I think that this difference in word connotations vs. theoretical background is why people get so hung up on whether asexuals are “oppressed” – since there does not seem to be some group of people actively out to harm us* how can we be oppressed? And if we are not oppressed then surely  by default we must be privileged.

(* this is of course a matter of debate, but that’s a different argument to be had)

Because of these and other problems with common privilege/oppression discourse, I prefer to speak of things in terms of social “advantage” and “disadvantage”. These also carry the benefit of being less emotionally and poltically charged with alternate meanings, and being better compelments to each other. In addition, I think speaking of things as being various combinations of advantages and disadvantages allows more nuance than simple binary states of “privileged” or “oppressed”.

Within this framework, I think it’s also useful to differentiate between something like “active” and “passive” disadvantages:

On the one hand, you have the “classic” forms of active disadvantage, in which actions are taken specifically with the intent to discriminate against some certain group – things like barring women from voting, making homosexual acts illegal, denying African Americans full citizenship, etc.

On the other hand, I would argue that you also have more passive forms of disadvantage, which (usually) are not deliberately enacted by any particular group, but are aspects of society that tend to not get consciously realized; here it is often not so much about what is done but what is not done. Passive oppression is every time that an LGBT group or news story discusses lesbians and gays but omits any mention of bisexuality. It is when media characters of your group are overwhelmingly underrepresented. It is when you lack access to basic social scripts for relationships or identity that fit your experiences. It is when people react to your identity with “what? That can’t be true”.

To reference non-asexual dialogues, active disadvantages are things like gay-bashing. Passive disadvantages are things like bisexual invisibility and erasure.

For a confusing metaphor to try and further explain the difference: Imagine life as a ladder that we try to climb. Advantage would be people giving you a hand up. Active disadvantage would be when someone kicks you down. Passive disadvantage would be when the ladder is covered in grease and you can’t pull yourself up.

And I think by separating it like this, it may be a little easier to understand how asexuality fits in. As asexuals, we tend to have fewer problems in terms of active disadvantages, but we do often have more passive disadvantages.

In addition, while we have fewer people kicking us down, we also have fewer people helping us back up as well. – this is what things like “the sexual advantage” and “sexual privilege” have usually been trying to articulate, even if occasionally in a problematic way. It’s important to remember though that acknowledging that a group has some advantages that others don’t doesn’t mean negating the fact that they may also have much more active disadvantages as well.

It is nuances like that that I believe “oppressed vs. privileged” fails to capture. For example, a gay man may risk more potential for active disadvantages (gay bashing, etc.) than an asexual person. But on the other hand, an asexual faces more passive disadvantages (lack of representation, lack of social scripts, lack of awareness, etc.). Other disadvantages are shared by both groups.

Despite those problems, though, a gay man may also have access to many advantages – things like support organizations, political support, out celebrities, legal defense funds, educational materials, allied social movements, stories they can identify with – that an asexual person has no access to. Does that negate the active disadvantages a gay man might face? No. But neither do the active disadvantages that asexuals are spared negate the passive disadvantages and general lack of other advantages they have to deal with as well.

The closest way to approximate privilege-oppression from this system would be, I suppose, to total up advantages and disadvantages (though this is still imperfect). And when you do so, it is clear that asexuals weigh in on the disadvantaged side.

And this is why, I would still say that yes, if we insist on using a privileged/oppressed binary, we fall in on the side of the oppressed. Though I would rather not rely so much on that binary at all.

Thoughts?

Asexual Research Reading Group – 2nd meeting

Hello all!

Our next group skype chat will be Saturday, April 6 at 1:00pm PST. We will be reading Who reports absence of sexual attraction in Britain? Evidence from national probability surveys (Aicken et al. 2013).

Aicken et al. serves as a sort of ten-year follow up to Bogaert’s study and his well known “1%” finding, with some additional interesting observations on the demographics of “possible-asexuals”.

You can also find a summary here: http://ace-muslim.tumblr.com/post/44870015832/who-reports-absence-of-sexual-attraction-in-britain

Abstact:

There is little evidence about the prevalence of absence of sexual attraction, or the characteristics of people reporting this, often labelled asexuals. We examine this using data from two probability surveys of the British general population, conducted in 1990–1991 and 2000–2001. Interviewers administered face-to-face and self-completion questionnaires to people aged 16–44 years (N = 13,765 in 1990–1991; N = 12,110 in 2000–2001). The proportion that had never experienced sexual attraction was 0.4% (95% CI: 0.3–0.5%) in 2000–2001, with no significant variation by gender or age, versus 0.9% (95% CI: 0.7–1.1%) in 1990–1991; p < 0.0001. Among these 79 respondents in 2000–2001, 28 (40.3% men; 33.9% women) had had sex, 19 (33.5% men; 20.9% women) had child(ren), and 17 (30.1% men; 19.2% women) were married. Three-quarters of asexual men and two-thirds of asexual women considered their frequency of sex ‘about right’, while 24.7% and 19.4%, respectively, ‘always enjoyed having sex’. As well as providing evidence on the distribution of asexuality in Britain, our data suggest that it cannot be assumed that those reporting no sexual attraction are sexually inexperienced or without intimate relationships. We recognise the possibility of social desirability bias given our reliance on self-reported data, but suggest that its effect is not easily predicted regarding absence of sexual attraction.

Asexual Research Reading Group: UPDATE!

Hello all!

After polling everyone who contacted me about the original skype group, it looks like the best time for the group Skype discussions is Saturday, 1pm-2pm PDT. For the first week’s reading, we have been considering one of two options:

1. reading Bogaert’s 2004 paper, from which the ubiqitous “1%” figure comes, and also the recent Aicken et al. paper, which analyzes a recent followup of the same survey from which Bogaert drew his data, only years later. Since the two are both analyzing the same survey set, they pair well, but make for more reading.

2. On the other hand, we could focus on only reading Bogaert’s paper this week, which is shorter.

Any thoughts on preferences?

Also, If you want to join the skype group but haven’t been able to yet, add me on skype (username sennkestra) and I can add you in.

Asexual Research Reading Group Proposal:

In a recent tumblr discussion this week, the idea was brought up of having some kind or reading group for aces (and others!) interested in discussing asexual research and other issues about asexuality in academia; I hope to continue the discussion here and get something started.

My current thoughts on a possible format would be something like this:

Each week, we read a new article, with someone perhaps making a detailed summary available to those who cannot access the original article or finding another way to get everyone access.

Next, we have some sort of a skype or other chat group to discuss; ideally we set up a defined period (~1 hours) when as many as possible can make it for a formal discussion of that week’s article. (although the group would remain open at other times as well if anyone wants to talk about anything else. Times will probably be chosen by doodle poll; if time zones become an issue, we could split up into multiple groups if needed)

After that has concluded, we post a transcript of the skype group (s), links to the paper (and summary if already available) on a static page, where asynchronous discussion can take place (proposals include Asexual Agenda, if they’re cool with it, or failing that I can host here).

Another idea is for a volunteer (probably whoever chose that weeks article) to write up a summary of the article and some of the main points to make available for a more casual audience, if no summary exists.

Also, a question for those interested:

1. Is skype an acceptable format for everyone for the initial real-time discussion? If not, what other platform do you suggest?

Also, if you have any other questions, comments, or suggestions – or just want to say you might be interested – hit me up in the comments below!

“Good-Looking” vs. “Hot”

Sometimes, when looking back at my life,  I find all sorts of ways that my asexuality has affected me that I just never noticed because at the time because I thought everyone was that way. 

For example, at some point when I was in high school, I remember my sister teasing me about the fact that I only ever describe people as “good-looking” – never “hot”, never “sexy”, never “cute”. At the time I sort of just attributed it to being a word nerd with some odd speech conventions.

But looking back, I think it probably ties into my asexuality (although I was only just starting to realize it at the time). Because of how they are typically used, words like “sexy”, “cute”, “hot” tend to imply some sort of interest – that the target is appealing aesthetically and/or sexually to the target. They imply both a visual quality (aesthetically pleasing) of the subject and to some extent also an emotional quality of the subject (and therefore I want/am attracted to them).

And because I didn’t feel any personally reaction, even if they had qualities I found visually appealing, it didn’t feel right to call them “hot” or “cute”. “Good-looking”, on the other hand, is very specific about the visual appeal, but also uncommon enough that it hasn’t gathered those same connotations of attraction. It was effectively a more neutral option that didn’t carry the sexual baggage that always seemed so dissonant to me. 

Aces like Words, Part 2: The Ambiguity of Friendship

(this is the first part of my rather last minute response to the February Carnival of Aces.

Part 1 can be found here.)

One of the big areas in which we in the ace and aro communities find ourselves lacking words is in the domain of relationship terminology. When it comes to sexual and romantic relationships*, we have a wealth of terminology: we have sex friends and boyfriends and husbands and fuckbuddies and hookups and swingers and dates and partners; one can have crushes or infatuation or lust or desire or arousal.

We also have extensive kinship terminology for our familial relationship: one can have cousins and aunts and parents and brothers and step-fathers and step-siblings and biological and adoptive mothers and second cousins and sisters-in-law.

And yet when it comes to non-familial platonic relationships, our language fails us.

But when it comes to platonic relationships,  we have…

“Friendship”

And that’s really pretty much it. Sure, you can modify it: “best friends”, “childhood friends”, etc, but we still expect that one word to cover a huge spectrum of relationship. A “friend” can refer to anything from someone you like to chat with a bit at lunch to someone you would like to spend the rest of your life with, would trust with your life. It’s a single term that can mean a million different things.

And yes, we do have words for relationships of situation: coworkers, classmates, neighbors, etc – but those say more about the origin of the relationship than the strength of it. They say nothing of the level of intimacy or commitment.

And the few other terms I can think of – “buddy”, “pal”, “cohorts”, etc – are more synonyms than subtypes. These probably sound a bit casual to you – and they are, because friendships are something that is often portrayed as casual – seriousness is reserved for romantic-sexual relationships.

I think it’s also interesting to look at the types of phrases that are used to describe especially close friends: “like brothers/sisters”, “practically married”; close and intimate friendships are often described in history as “romantic friendships”. Here, the strength of friendships are emphasized by comparing them to other types of relationships which are generally considered “stronger”, such as kinship and sexual/romantic bonds.

Contrast the phrase “just friends”  – implicitly dismissing friendship as lesser than any other type of relationship.

It is clear that in the mainstream paradigm, platonic relationships like “friendship” are always considered lesser, and thus there is no need to have that many words to describe them.  We actually have a term that can describe a sort of “lower” grade of friend – we call them an “acquaintance”. But other than perhaps the phrase “best friend”, we have no words to differentiate more primary platonic relationships.

And yet, one of the concepts that is strong in the ace community is the recognition of strong, intimate, valued friendships. Calling such relationships simply “friendships” is misleading – one may have many friends, and the relationship one has with them is very different from the kind of relationship we are considering.

And so, we have a clearly delineated concept, but no good word to articulate it. A gap that needs to be filled. And so it has been!

Outside of the ace community, there are some phrases that can sort of describe such a situation – “life partners” and perhaps “boston marriage” are possibilities, though the first is a bit awkward sounding and the second is not quite the same.

Within the ace community, the first word was “zucchini”, as a word for something like a platonic/aromantic soulmate; like a best friend but closer, with more of a sense of commitment. It was quite a fun word to play with, and seemed to quite catch on in the aromantic blogging community. It was was around the same time, if I recall correctly, that “squish” came into use as a term for the platonic “friend crush”.

However, the word that took off the most is also one of my favorite words – “Queerplatonic”. Although I initially saw it in only a few corners, I have seen it popping up more and more, even being adopted by non-asexuals and non-aromantics as well.

Used to refer to a sort of intimate non-romantic (and often non-sexual) relationship, “Queerplatonic” is actually one of my favorite words, both in the way that it lexicalized a very important concept for me, but also just in how it came about and the way that I think it so well personifies the community and our love for language.

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*(I am temporarily setting aside the issue of the conflation of the romantic and the sexual in general culture, and the implications of asexuality creating a paradigm that regards the two as independent, which is a whole different issue that needs to be adressed. )

Aces like Words, part 1: Filling in the Gaps

(this is the first part of my rather last minute response to the February Carnival of Aces.)

One of the many things that I’ve noticed about the ace community is: We like to make up words for things. Within the community, we have basically developed a specialized jargon for discussing our experiences, our relationships, and our lives. When I run ace 101 workshops, one of the first things I always do is a quick run-through of some of the common words we use.

Why is it that we do this? The reason is that the language we are given is insufficient to express our experiences. As we have overturned common paradigms about sexuality, we begin breaching new ideological ground that has never been covered before – and our language has not had time to catch up with that yet. As we gather and talk amongst ourselves, we find ourselves struggling to articulate our shared experiences – we see the same patterns cropping up again and again, and we begin forming concepts, but we do not yet have the words to express them.

In linguistics, we talk about “lexical gaps” which occur when a concept is recognized but a language lacks any word to describe it. This often occurs in translation, when a concept that has been recognized and named in the source language has no equivalent term in the target language; another common example is when a language has words for one concept “hot” but not another related concept like “cold”.

In our case, it happens when we have begun to build shared concepts out of our experiences, but don’t have any way to translate that into spoken language.

So what do we do? We fill those gaps.

One common way that lexical gaps can be filled is through “borrowing” from other languages. In this case, we borrow many terms straight from the jargons of other sexual orientations – terms like “sexual orientation”, “sexual attraction”, “coming out”, etc.

Other times, we take existing words but redefine them slightly to suit our needs: for example the word “platonic”: Originally, this referred merely to nonsexual love, which could be both romantic or nonromantic. Over time though, it has come to mean not only nonsexual, but also nonromantic – a trend which is also seen outside the ace community too, but not as clearly. In turn, the ace community has also clarified “romantic” as an alternative to “sexual” – a shift which does not always translate directly back into common English, where romantic often has sexual overtones.

And other times, we make up new words entirely. There are many different ways to derive these: some, like “squish”, are created by extending metaphorical mappings behind other terms: If a romantic attraction is like being “crushed”, perhaps a platonic one is like being “squished”? Others are created by compounding other terms, like in “queerplatonic.” And still others are just pulled out of someone’s imagination and stick because there’s no clear alternative – as in cases like “Zucchini” and “OTJ”. These last ones tend to get replaced if suitable alternatives arise, but it’s noticeable that even rather silly terms can spread like wildfire when they fill a much needed gap.

for a description of one area where there are gaps that need to be filled, see Part 2: The ambiguity of “Friendship”.

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